tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post113090474977562328..comments2023-09-23T04:56:51.617-07:00Comments on Forensics & Faith: Editorial Review on Violet Dawn--Part I~ Brandilyn Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04771812607327238979noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130994471237046892005-11-02T21:07:00.000-08:002005-11-02T21:07:00.000-08:00Thanks, Cara, for the thorough explanation! I thin...Thanks, Cara, for the thorough explanation! I think I'm going to have to follow Tina and re-read some of the books in order to catch what the editor meant about it being a part of your voice.<BR/><BR/>Brandilyn, this is really helpful to hear about! Thanks for sharing.Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984698615501794539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130977116821532702005-11-02T16:18:00.000-08:002005-11-02T16:18:00.000-08:00Well I was going to ask about the verbs also but C...Well I was going to ask about the verbs also but Cara gave good info. Thanks Cara for the sites. Brandilyn thank you for sharing this process with us. It really helps!Bonnie S. Calhounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11769607640246518804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130964711229042722005-11-02T12:51:00.000-08:002005-11-02T12:51:00.000-08:00Thanks so much for continuing to be so open about ...Thanks <I>so</I> much for continuing to be so open about this stuff, Brandilyn; it is heartening for newbies like me to hear that even successful novelists still go through this stuff.Sign outhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15211238307894390176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130961057060855172005-11-02T11:50:00.000-08:002005-11-02T11:50:00.000-08:00Have to admit I went scrambling for a definition o...Have to admit I went scrambling for a definition of the verbs, too. For those who are wondering, here's one example of transitive v. instransitive verbs:<BR/>Not as difficult as some people think. A transitive verb takes a direct object: it shows action upon someone or something. Intransitive verbs take no direct object; they need only a subject to make a sentence. <BR/>Some transitive verbs: Hit (you hit something or someone; you don't just hit); climb (you don't just climb; you climb something); and bring (bring what?). Intransitive verbs: sleep (you don't sleep something; you just sleep); and fall (while you can fall down the stairs, you don't fall the stairs). <BR/>There are a few things worth noticing. First, just because something grammatically needs a direct object doesn't mean we actually use it. If someone said, I swung the bat and hit, we don't have to ask what he hit; the direct object ball is understood. <BR/>Second, many intransitives might look like transitives, as in She walked three hours. Here three hours is not really a direct object; it doesn't say what she walked, but how long (it's actually an adverbial phrase). <BR/>Third, many verbs can be both transitive and intransitive: while a word like ran is usually intransitive, it can also be transitive in "He ran the program for two years." Children can play catch, or they can just play. Even sleep, given above as an intransitive, could become transitive if we said He slept the sleep of the righteous. <BR/>The only real danger is when you start changing verbs willy-nilly: "We have to think quality" (giving the intransitive think a direct object; you probably mean "think about quality," if you mean anything at all); "I hope you enjoy" (instead of enjoy it). <BR/>http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/t.html<BR/><BR/>Here are a few other websites with info on the difference: <BR/>http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/writcent/hypergrammar/trnsintr.html<BR/><BR/>http://grammar.uoregon.edu/verbs/transitive.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/grammar/course/speech/1_3b.htm<BR/><BR/>Enjoy :-)<BR/><BR/>CaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130957996721421162005-11-02T10:59:00.000-08:002005-11-02T10:59:00.000-08:00Very interesting!Very interesting!mrsdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09407858060429992088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130956463231395462005-11-02T10:34:00.000-08:002005-11-02T10:34:00.000-08:00I'm with you, Brandilyn--every author needs a good...I'm with you, Brandilyn--every author needs a good edit. Or a really good critique before hand. Preferably both. <BR/><BR/>I'd thought time was the big reason so many novels don't seem to get that kind of thorough treatment, but you're a two-a-year novelist. Makes me marvel even more.<BR/><BR/>Gotta say, I'm excited by the positives you reported for this new series. Sounds like you accomplished what you set out to do, bridging the suspense/women's fiction bents you have.<BR/><BR/>But Aug. 2006? Sigh. <BR/><BR/>BeckyRebecca LuElla Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823550402103559922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130951751017294432005-11-02T09:15:00.000-08:002005-11-02T09:15:00.000-08:00What are transative and intransative verbs? I hav...What are transative and intransative verbs? I have never heard of them before. <BR/><BR/>B - this is helpful information you are sharing about the edits. It's so true what you say about being so close to your work, it's hard to really know how those twists etc come across.D. Gudgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258476859577815477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130944187191558582005-11-02T07:09:00.000-08:002005-11-02T07:09:00.000-08:00You are an absolute doll! Thanks for sharing your ...You are an absolute doll! Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.<BR/><BR/>This is so good for me in my preparation time before I get a contract.Dominohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05698502437170233088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130943189216767292005-11-02T06:53:00.000-08:002005-11-02T06:53:00.000-08:00Cool beans!Alwas love getting a glimpse at what's ...Cool beans!<BR/><BR/>Alwas love getting a glimpse at what's in store for me if I ever find a house crazy enough to deal with me ;)<BR/><BR/>Look forward to hearing more about this whole process.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01319201996699675786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130940563939707022005-11-02T06:09:00.000-08:002005-11-02T06:09:00.000-08:00This is fascinating, Brandilyn. Thanks very much f...This is fascinating, Brandilyn. Thanks very much for sticking your neck out and sharing it with us.C.J. Darlingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16541599888177703695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130938407502159922005-11-02T05:33:00.000-08:002005-11-02T05:33:00.000-08:00I had to look up transitive and intransitive verbs...I had to look up transitive and intransitive verbs to refresh my memory of what they are. Now that gives me an extra excuse to reread some of your books to see if I can spot them. I'm curious to see what that does to your voice. Okay, the other reason I want to read them again is that they're just so good.<BR/><BR/>See? Who needs editors to stroke your ego? That's what fans are for.Tina Helmuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02210602508259810567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10583449.post-1130916183166140592005-11-01T23:23:00.000-08:002005-11-01T23:23:00.000-08:00Actually I experienced both kind of edits of my fi...Actually I experienced both kind of edits of my first novel. Editor one said glowing things like, "I can't think of any changes. You're so hard to edit." I puffed up. Then that editor moved on. Editor two said, "not so much" in twenty or so pages of edits. But I'm thankful for the anti-ego-stroking edit. It made the book SO much better AND I learned a lot.Mary DeMuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06102710597183711588noreply@blogger.com